At least one of is an absolute necessity, which by definition makes it broken, but I can totally see the argument that in spite of that the tier is healthy, as Ogre is sufficiently negated by so that it doesn't make an excessive impact. Looking back on the Ogre suspect I realise it wasn't quite broken in the context of being a thing, but there are practically no reliable checks to it beyond that. Gen 3 is summed up pretty well by TIN- broken checks broken. There are a host of different strategic options to try and matches can span a wide variety of different dynamics. The only generation where a healthy environment cannot be found in either ubers or some derivative thereof is gen 1, primarily because you have a grand total of one option (mewbers) that isn't ubers or ou, and we all know Mew's borked as well. So I think anyone who knows my general perspective on tiering will know my opinion on this. Maybe ban some more stuff, probably ban Arceus too because Ekiller really isn't healthy, but only ban as long as there's stuff that can break stall afterwards, because if stall goes away we might as well use Smogon OU as a starting point. Lugia and Giratina are our tier's saviours while still being pretty manageable by threats like Rayquaza. That would make the meta really bad though, like really bad, because everything between cover legends and OU is basically hyper-offense (Mega Luke comes to mind). Of course we can make it even _more_ healthy (ban Kyogre ffs), but overall that level of health is already close to the Smogon newgen OU metas, which means sufficient diversity while nothing is clearly mandatory or broken.Īnother thing I want to mention here is something that often gets proposed on Smogon, namely banning only the cover legends (which would massively reduce the power level in the never 1U tiers because we've still got everything running around that wasn't affected by the Gen 6 power creep). However, if the A-ranks are banned we can definitely get a healthy meta, as the SM 1U tests have shown.

A good example is SM, where almost every Ubers team currently runs at least 4 of the 5 following: Groudon-Primal, Arceus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Necrozma.

I think 1U should have way more diversity than actual Ubers does.

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